Planning for 2022 – please help

 

Dear all,  later this week, Chris will send out an email to you all requesting your answers to a set of questions that we’d like your views.  This is to help us set a plan for our 2022 programme.

The questions and your responses will be available via a SurveyMonkey link you will find in that email.

In addition, we’d like to hear your views about the future of our golf society.  We are in a period of financial uncertainty with IBM UK Club and so your committee need to make some changes in the way we operate so that we can continue to enjoy great golfing days out.

If you have anything to add (beyond the survey questions asked) then please reply to this item using the box below.

Many thanks, 

Peter Norris.

 

5 Responses

  1. Peter Norris Peter Norris says:

    From Rick Jones –

    QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER

    We were planning to fund 10 events in 2021 – before Covid restrictions. The lower IBM grant going forward will mean that we have to reduce the number of events we can afford – or for you to pay more for each event. How many events would you like to see in 2022?
    4 – 6 events, depending on how much money we have.

    Our main problem is deciding how much to subsidise each event. We have a background of Golf Clubs increasing Society prices every year – whilst UK Club is reducing our grant monies. The higher prices that golf clubs ask will mean that we all end up paying more for each day out. How much are you prepared to pay for a days golf with BGS?

    If I assume 18 holes + bacon & coffee + dinner, I am happy to pay up to £50 – 55 for the event.

    We consider that having a sit-down meal following the golf is a prime part of this Society. The social side of BGS is equally as important as the golf. Without the meal, our events would just be a turn up and play thing with maybe a quick beer after. Recently, we have tried reducing costs by having one course meals and in some cases dropping the bacon rolls in order to play at better courses without the high food costs on top. What are your views about reducing the food element of the day?

    It’s nice to have good food, but really it is the time we spend gathered together while we are consuming that is just as important. It is more than just golf. I would like to stick to the day formula described above, with a 2-course meal if possible.

    We have maintained our annual subs at £20/member for many years. Is it time to increase the subs for 2022? There is a delicate balance between what we set as subs and our resultant income levels vs giving members a good subsidy (low costs) for each event they attend.

    I am happy to pay more for subs – double, if need be.

    Our current cost for prizes is £26 per event plus £40 for annual trophy engraving = £250 pounds budgeted for 2021. How valuable do you rate receiving BGS event or trophy prizes? What are your thoughts about reducing our spend or changing the way members pay for these?

    Don’t really have a view – probably because I have not competed enough recently to win anything!

    Should we increase the cost of the Twos sweepstake to £2? This would double the prize fund, increase the cap above £7 for winners and raise more money for the Captains Charity? It has been running at £1 for many years now. Should we reflect inflationary increases and make it £2 for 2022?

    Yes.

  2. Peter Norris Peter Norris says:

    From Bill Quain.

    One thing I think we should have included was a comments section on some of the items, as members could have some valuable comments to make.

    Let’s see what we end up with and we can discuss at a committee meeting.

    Personally I think the subs should go up to around £50.

    PN Response.

    sadly the comments option on SurveyMonkey is a chargeable upgrade feature.

    We are doing this for free.

    Hence comments are requested to go to the blog on the website – which some have done.

    I play a delicate balance with the subs. More people pay subs every year than play.
    In 2021 we saw 50 people (plus some spouses) pay £20. = £1000 subs.
    To date only 35 have played at our events or match play. = £700 subs.

    Hence £300 income that is at risk if we price too high.

    If 35 people pay £30 then that equals 50 people paying £20. = £1050 plays £1000.

    If we put subs up too much then those who don’t play will not pay subs.

    That is why we chose £30 for an increase option for the survey – rather than offering a larger sum.

    I’d rather keep subs low and charge more for each event – so those who come to events generate the extra income.

    Thanks for doing it and your words.

  3. Gerald Young Gerald Young says:

    Peter, Sorry sent this to Chris.
    My responses >>
    We were planning to fund 10 events in 2021 – before Covid restrictions. The lower IBM grant going forward will mean that we have to reduce the number of events we can afford – or for you to pay more for each event. How many events would you like to see in 2022?

    >> I think we should still have at least 6 events per year to enable the seasonal trophies to be played for if we can afford more then at least the Winter warmer and the Presidents versus Captain’s should be considered,.

    Our main problem is deciding how much to subsidise each event. We have a background of Golf Clubs increasing Society prices every year – whilst UK Club is reducing our grant monies. The higher prices that golf clubs ask will mean that we all end up paying more for each day out. How much are you prepared to pay for a days golf with BGS?

    >> 2021 has seen increased costs everywhere, I guess increasing the cost of an event wouldn’t be out of the ordinary when one considers how much other people’s society days cost.

    We consider that having a sit-down meal following the golf is a prime part of this Society. The social side of BGS is equally as important as the golf. Without the meal, our events would just be a turn up and play thing with maybe a quick beer after. Recently, we have tried reducing costs by having one course meals and in some cases dropping the bacon rolls in order to play at better courses without the high food costs on top. What are your views about reducing the food element of the day?

    >> I agree that the meal afterwards is important as the day is not just about playing golf and the social aspect is just as important

    We have maintained our annual subs at £20/member for many years. Is it time to increase the subs for 2022? There is a delicate balance between what we set as subs and our resultant income levels vs giving members a good subsidy (low costs) for each event they attend.

    >> I don’t think increasing the annual membership fee to £30 would be too unacceptable especially if we don’t get any subsidy from IBM.

    Our current cost for prizes is £26 per event plus £40 for annual trophy engraving = £250 pounds budgeted for 2021. How valuable do you rate receiving BGS event or trophy prizes? What are your thoughts about reducing our spend or changing the way members pay for these?

    >> The cost of prizes could be reduced to maybe £10 for first and £5 for second either cash or a gift, a bottle of wine for 1st can be bought for less than £10 and maybe some chocolates or something else. I think the engraving should continue

  4. Terry Wall Terry Wall says:

    Peter, I personally would not want to price anyone away from our events. Almost all the members get a lot of golf at low additional cost already once club membership subs have been paid so they have to compare a free game at their own course with their regular partners or a match against another club with green fees paid against a much higher price for playing a BGS event. They already make that judgement in favour once or several times a year but substantially increased costs will make some think twice.

    It’s good to visit clubs of higher quality but the main purpose is to get together a few times a year at reasonable venues. To do this we ideally need a minimum of six regular season events a year – any fewer and members will start to drop out when they cannot make or don’t like any of the dates. With that number we can preserve the structure of our seasonal and annual trophy competitions.

    Prizes are a minor consideration, it’s the presentation of something, however small, to acknowledge the winner, that counts. No need to increase the spend, which should be covered by the subscription. However, I would be concerned about increasing the sub as it gives another chance to say “if I only play once this year it will be very poor value so it’s time I dropped out”. Ditto the twos sweep – it’s nominal anyway but symbolic, and a chance for an unexpected player to get a mention however little they win, so everyone should be expected to enter.

    Extras such as bacon sarnies should not be part of the deal but, wherever possible, they should be available if wanted. Most of our events start during normal club catering hours and if players want a bite before playing they should get it themselves. My guess is that quite a lot of bacon rolls (and coffees?) are consumed just because they are there.

    The annual prizegiving is a drag. Far better would be to have the trophies on display at the final event of each category and present it on the day, so the Spring trophies might be given out in May or June at the second event of the season. Players would then know what they were playing for and the presentation would be relevant rather than just who won last year’s events. Annual trophies could wait for the winter warmer after all the calculating had been done.

    It is regrettable that many trophies are not engraved. I tend to agree with Tony that trophy winners should be encouraged to immortalise their achievement by getting their name engraved. It’s a delight years after the event to pick up a trophy and remember the winners. Particularly if it was yourself!

  5. Tony Ransley Tony Ransley says:

    re questions
    We had 11 events this year. We should sustain that number. £60 ahead at a top course with a meal and bacon buttie is acceptable but £40-50 on a less quality course is doable. So most questions are too loaded to answer, but there is no option for ‘no opinion’ please ignore my replies,
    The two’s are weighted in favour of the low handicappers, it’s a bit of fun, make it optional. Our prizes are pretty mean as it is, so a good bottle of wine from Aldi, usually about £6 for the winner and 2nd plus the chip for 3rd will do nicely thank you. In my opinion, the winners should pay for the engraving?

    PN Response.

    Thanks for the comments. Your no opinion for the survey will be added. Often twos are won by high HCs as well. Good prizes put costs up. Our current financial state as outlined in the email is poor and what will come from IBM in future will be low. We cannot afford to spend lots of money on things like prizes – nor in future (after a greatly subsided 2021) can we subsidise our days out at such a great level. We have to cut our cloth appropriately. So we cannot afford to run 10 or 11 events in 2022 and beyond We members have to pay more for each day as we get ever closer to the real golf club price that guests pay. In 2021 we have played several courses around £70 cost and one at £75 – with members paying around £50. That will not happen often in 2022 – Maybe you will pay £60 to play a £70 course in 2022? But I am nowhere near setting a budget for 2022 – and cannot until number of events, their dates/locations/prices have all been collected – not to mention paying deposits. Sorry for the long reply but it may help others.

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